Hello and welcome back to Equity, a podcast about the business of startups, where we unpack the numbers and nuance behind the headlines. This is our Wednesday show where we niche down to a single topic and dig deep.

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This time ’round we had Eric Silver, head of Creative at the podcast collective Multitude, to help us sort through:

• What the hell happened with Spotify’s big podcast push, and its resulting layoffs.
• Why tech platforms have not yet found a way to make creative work lucrative enough to engender a new “creator middle class.”
• The state of the ad market, and its impacts on creative work more generally.

Toward the end we had a moment to comment on AI, but we kept that somewhat far from our central theme.

Long-time Equity listeners will recall that we’ve covered the creator economy a few times on the show and the blog, including:

And if you need even more, this investor survey from 2021 on all things creator-economy is a great look-back in time!

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